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There are at least 7 results for 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 in the forum.
Ilmars Cirulis (2024-02-18 18:00:07)
Fried Liver analysis on rybkaforum.net?
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Nxf7 Kxf7 7. Qf3+ Ke6 8. Nc3 Nb4 9. O-O c6 10. d4 Qf6 11. Qd1 Ke7 12. Re1 h6 13. Rxe5+ Kd8 14. Ne4 Qg6 15. a3 Bf5 16. Ng3 Bxc2 17. Qf3 Nd3 18. Rf5 Bd6 19. Bxd3 Bxd3 20. Qxd3 Kc7 21. Bd2 Rhf8 22. Rd1 b6 - still don't know for sure if this is a draw or maybe white can win somehow...
When is thematic tournament(s) happening? :sweat_smile:
Scott Ligon (2024-01-13 20:47:35)
Fried Liver analysis on rybkaforum.net?
In that case, I don't think white can improve on the following line (depth 49):
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Nxf7 Kxf7 7. Qf3+ Ke6 8. Nc3 Nb4 9. O-O c6 10. d4 Qf6 11. Qd1 Ke7 12. Re1 h6 13. Bb3 Bf5 14. Bd2 a5 15. Nxd5+ Nxd5 16. c4 Nb4 17. Rxe5+ Kd8 18. a3 Nd3 19. Bxa5+ Rxa5 20. Rxa5 Kc7
5b1r/1pk3p1/2p2q1p/R4b2/2PP4/PB1n4/1P3PPP/R2Q2K1 w - -
+ (0.45)
Scott Ligon (2024-01-12 01:54:00)
Fried Liver analysis on rybkaforum.net?
The Lolli (6 d4) is no better for white. Black survives in the following line, and white has no other options worth checking.
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. d4 Nxd4 7. c3 b5 8. Bd3 h6 9. Nxf7 Kxf7 10. cxd4 exd4 11. O-O Rb8
1rbq1b1r/p1p2kp1/7p/1p1n4/3p4/3B4/PP3PPP/RNBQ1RK1 w - -
+ (0.51)
Scott Ligon (2024-01-11 23:22:00)
Fried Liver analysis on rybkaforum.net?
I checked the Fried Liver with Stockfish 16, just far enough to convince myself that black can probably hold the draw. I'll post five key lines along with the eval at the end of each line, including the FEN encoding of the position being evaluated. I went through white's options and I see no way for white to improve on these lines, although 6 d4 instead of Nxf7 should also be checked. Anyway here are the line evaluations.
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Nxf7 Kxf7 7. Qf3+ Ke6 8. Nc3 Nb4 9. O-O c6 10. d4 Qf6 11. Qd1 Ke7 12. Re1 h6 13. Rxe5+ Kd8 14. Ne4 Qg6 15. a3 Bf5 16. Ng3 Bxc2 17. Qf3 Nd3 18. Rf5 Bd6 19. Bxd3 Bxd3 20. Qxd3 Kc7 21. Bd2 Rhf8 22. Rd1 b6 23. Bc1 Qe6
r4r2/p1k3p1/1ppbq2p/3n1R2/3P4/P2Q2N1/1P3PPP/2BR2K1 w - -
+ (0.79)
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Nxf7 Kxf7 7. Qf3+ Ke6 8. Nc3 Nb4 9. O-O c6 10. d4 Qf6 11. Qd1 Ke7 12. Re1 h6 13. Rxe5+ Kd8 14. Ne4 Qg6 15. a3 Bf5 16. Ng3 Bxc2 17. Qf3 Nd3 18. Rf5 Bd6 19. Bxd3 Bxd3 20. Qxd3 Kc7 21. Bd2 Rhf8 22. Rd1 b6 23. Qb1 Rfe8
r3r3/p1k3p1/1ppb2qp/3n1R2/3P4/P5N1/1P1B1PPP/1Q1R2K1 w - -
+ (0.80)
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Nxf7 Kxf7 7. Qf3+ Ke6 8. Nc3 Nb4 9. O-O c6 10. d4 Qf6 11. Qd1 Ke7 12. Re1 h6 13. Rxe5+ Kd8 14. Ne4 Qg6 15. a3 Bf5 16. Ng3 Bxc2 17. Qf3 Nd3 18. Rf5 Bd6 19. Bxd3 Bxd3 20. Qxd3 Kc7 21. Bd2 Rhf8 22. Qf3 Rae8
4rr2/ppk3p1/2pb2qp/3n1R2/3P4/P4QN1/1P1B1PPP/R5K1 w - -
+ (0.70)
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Nxf7 Kxf7 7. Qf3+ Ke6 8. Nc3 Nb4 9. O-O c6 10. d4 Qf6 11. Qd1 Ke7 12. Re1 h6 13. Ne4 Qg6 14. a3 Bf5 15. Ng3 Bxc2 16. Qf3 Nd3 17. Re2 Ke8
r3kb1r/pp4p1/2p3qp/3np3/2BP4/P2n1QN1/1Pb1RPPP/R1B3K1 w - -
+ (0.63)
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Nxf7 Kxf7 7. Qf3+ Ke6 8. Nc3 Nb4 9. O-O c6 10. d4 Qf6 11. Qe2 Ke7
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Ilmars Cirulis (2024-01-11 08:10:22)
Fried Liver analysis on rybkaforum.net?
Then we explored 13.Ne4 a bit:
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Nxf7 Kxf7 7. Qf3+ Ke6 8. Nc3 Nb4 9. O-O c6 10. d4 Qf6 11. Qd1 Ke7 12. Re1 h6 13. Ne4 Qg6 14. a3 Bf5 15. Ng3 Bxc2 16. Qf3 Nd3 17. Re2 Ke8 18. Rxc2 Ne1 19. Qe2 Nxc2 20. Bd3 Qe6 21. Qxc2 Kd8 22. Bd2 Bd6 23. Re1 Kc7 24. b4 a6 25. Nf5 e4 26. Bxe4 Raf8 27. g3 Qd7 28. Nxd6 Qxd6 29. a4 Rf7 30. b5 axb5 31. axb5 Ra8 32. Qb1 1/2-1/2 (Scott offered a draw which I gladly accepted.)
Ilmars Cirulis (2024-01-10 15:09:34)
Fried Liver analysis on rybkaforum.net?
21... Rhf8 against Scott ended in draw.
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Nxf7 Kxf7 7. Qf3+ Ke6 8. Nc3 Nb4 9. O-O c6 10. d4 Qf6 11. Qd1 Ke7 12. Re1 h6 13. Rxe5+ Kd8 14. Ne4 Qg6 15. a3 Bf5 16. Ng3 Bxc2 17. Qf3 Nd3 18. Rf5 Bd6 19. Bxd3 Bxd3 20. Qxd3 Kc7 21. Bd2 Rhf8 22. Qf3 Rae8 23. Rd1 b6 24. a4 Kd7 25. h4 Qe6 26. h5 g6 27. hxg6 Qxg6 28. a5 bxa5 29. Ra1 Rxf5 30. Qxf5+ Qxf5 31. Nxf5 h5 32. Rxa5 Re2 33. Rxa7+ Ke6 34. Nxd6 Rxd2 35. Nc4 Rxd4 36. b3 Rd3 37. Ra6 Rxb3 38. Rxc6+ Kf5 39. Nd6+ Ke5 1/2-1/2
Ilmars Cirulis (2024-01-06 20:27:54)
Fried Liver analysis on rybkaforum.net?
Does someone want to test this variation (to play it with white and try to win):
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Nxf7 Kxf7 7. Qf3+ Ke6 8. Nc3 Ncb4 9. O-O c6 10. d4 Qf6 11. Qd1 Ke7 12. Re1 h6 13. Rxe5+ Kd8 14. Ne4 Qg6 15. a3 Bf5 16. Ng3 Bxc2 17. Qf3 Nd3 18. Rf5 Bd6 19. Bxd3 Bxd3 20. Qxd3 Kc7 21. Bd2 Rhf8
I'm currently analysing it.
The 21... Rae8 seems to be losing (I lost the game against Scott Nichols convincingly).
There are 1 results for 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 in wikichess.
Ilmars Cirulis (2261)
e4 e5 Nf3 Nc6 Bc4 Nf6 Ng5
This was known as a "Duffer's move" by Tarrash but has been used throughout history by several notable chess personalities.
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Contributors : Pablo Schmid, Bradley Gooding, Roger Whitman
Steinitz, Fischer, and I consider this to be White's best chance to get an advantage.
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