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Thibault de Vassal    (2007-07-14)
Rybka vs. Ehlvest (2nd)

A new 6-games match occured during july 2007 between the latest version of Rybka and GM Ehlvest with some "advantages" given to the human. One more time, Rybka convincingly won the match : 4,5-1,5

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=1614


Well, not so bad after Kramnik's 4-2 loss vs. Deep Fritz... Help, we need help :)


Dinesh De Silva    (2007-07-14 03:59:29)
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Yes, we need help, big time!..... a chip in the brain perhaps. Haha!


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-07-14 07:57:53)
Rybka vs. Ehlvest (2nd)

Where is the problem? No men would compete in a run against a car.


Dinesh De Silva    (2007-07-14 09:36:25)
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Yes, Utesch has a point there.


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-07-14 11:51:13)
Rybka vs. Ehlvest (2nd)

Computers and programs (like engines and i.e. cars) are tools for (and from) men, designed to help them, but not really designed to work against them.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-07-14 14:10:43)
Rybka vs. Human

That's a quite pessimistic vision of chess today, but maybe I'm too optimistic yet :)

In my opinion it would be interesting to see this kind of match with longer time controls... maybe 30 minutes + 30 minutes / move. The human play could be much more organized and secure, with less time pressure.


Jason Repa    (2007-07-15 09:29:04)
Rybka vs. Human

Conversely, computers, or AI in general, are still very primitive with regards to activities that are simple for a four year old to conduct, such as shape and speech recognition. I agree with Utesch, there is no point in losing any sleep over the increasing improvement of computers in chess. We need not be in competition with them.


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-07-15 14:17:47)
Rybka vs. Human

Hello Jason.

You are right, but I doubt this "war" will end soon. Unlike pure calculation, chess is a symbol of intelligence, even if it's said to be pure calculation since Deep Blue won the match over Kasparov 10 years ago. It will be always possible to draw against the best computers, so there will always be challengers to try to equalize in a match against the king Rybka or any other super-calculator. Some will succeed, undoubtly... That's a question of time. And they will be chess heroes :)

About Go, the same cars on another circuit are not so successful, so why not to continue the race championsip anyway ? .. There is life, so there's hope... :)


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-07-15 14:55:22)
Rybka vs. Human

Thibault, in my oppinion problem is your definition of intelligence. Is Kasparov really more intelligent than i.e. Jean-Paul Satre (or Johann Wolfgang von Goethe)??? A man like Bobby Fisher was/is showing, that excellent specialised skill (of chess) nothing has to do with enough intelligence for life!


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-07-15 15:24:42)
pattern recognition = intelligence?

Best skill for (OTB-)chess is pattern recognition and very hard drill of playing. Not much time for learning other important skills beside!


Jason Repa    (2007-07-15 15:35:45)
Rybka vs. Human

Well Mr. Utesch, you clearly know nothing at all about Mr. Fischer. His IQ was evaluated at 180, so there is no debate about his intelligence. This has been well documented You seem to be confusing intelligence with social grace or being a good politician.
Also, in addition to his well-known chess accomplishments, Fischer is a published author of several very popular books and inventor of chess variant FischerRandom (or chess 960 if you prefer), as well as an innovative clock. What have you accomplished in comparison?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-07-15 15:50:00)
pattern recognition = intelligence?

Pattern recognition, IQ... Does it mean something about intelligence ? .. We won't answer here for sure. Anyway I just meant that generally in minds chess was considered as an intelligent game. So probably it's a question of honor, nothing more :)


Nick Burrows    (2007-07-15 17:29:31)
intelligence

We see with Aspergers syndrome or autistic savantes super human levels of 'intelligennce' yet at the same time they cannot understand very basic social rules that we take for granted.
A champion chess player such as Fisher shares great similarities with a savante. A very narrow intelligence of great depth.
There are many forms of intelligence. What of Luther-king, Ghandi or Lennon?


Jason Repa    (2007-07-15 18:24:07)
Rybka vs. Human

I just find it quite amusing how some 1900 chess player with no medical degree feels himself qualified to sum up Fischer in a few sentences with some pop psychology labels.

Also, I don't know what you're trying to prove by mentioning Luther-King, Ghandi, etc. They were famous people who were extremely influential in their time. They were certainly no dummies, but I don't know if they had a 180 IQs.
I would mention people like Tesla, Jung, and Von Braun for examples of extremely intelligent people from the past.


Nick Burrows    (2007-07-15 19:04:34)
Fisher

Oh abrasive Dr Repa,
Your proof of Fishers intelligence were the accomplishments of winning some games and designing a chess clock.
It is my opinion that liberating a sub-continent from imperial rule is a much greater accomplishment.


Jason Repa    (2007-07-15 19:21:37)
Rybka vs. Human

Actually burrows, as usual, you have everything completely backwards. You're the little character here trying to pass yourself off as a DR., not me. If you're going to pretend to be an educated man, you should at least learn how to spell FISCHER. Fischer's IQ has been tested when he was in high school and was in the 180's. I'm not going to hold your hand here, learn how to look something up for yourself for a change.

You're really making it quite obvious to everyone what you are with that silly comment about Fischer merely "winning some games".

And as usual your attention span isn't long enough to remember what we were talking about. It was INTELLIGENCE, not social influence.


Nick Burrows    (2007-07-15 19:34:47)
Fishcher

I am low graded. I don't have a degree. I am a little character, pretending to be educated. i can't spell. I need my hand holding. i have no attention span. i make sill comments.
Enough said. How can i possibly have a conversation with someone of such esteemed inelligence as yourself.


Jason Repa    (2007-07-15 19:45:58)
Rybka vs. Human

"I am low graded. I don't have a degree. I am a little character, pretending to be educated. i can't spell. I need my hand holding. i have no attention span. i make sill comments."

All of those statements are true, and in fact most of them can be proven by the information contained in this thread. The one exception, the low grade, can be confirmed by a simple google search showing all the under 100 bcf (under 1700 uscf).

I wasn't the one trying to prop myself up with alot of psuedo-intellectual psychobabble burrows....you were. I never said a word about myself here so don't start telling lies again. We were discussing Fischer. Unlike you, I don't need to drop pop psych. terms in internet forums to try to impress people. I know what my level of intelligence and education is.


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-07-15 19:48:18)
Rybka vs. Human

Jason, cool down - I've no problem with your devoutness of IQ definition. You can exercise IQ tests - maybe OTB chess training is also a good way to prepare for IQ tests. A book author isn't always a good writer but his editor! But, what is about social intelligence, intelligence for survival, intelligence for profession/business (beside chess) and so on!


Jason Repa    (2007-07-15 19:59:20)
Rybka vs. Human

Wolfgang, YOU cool down. I never specified any "devoutness" to IQ definition but as I said, it appears you're a bit confused as to what IQ is. You seem to think it has something to do with social skills, or other miscellaneous skills. But we've been over this already. You should have caught on by now.

Social "intelligence", survival ability, etc, are examples of skills, not intelligence. According to your logic, or more precisely, your lack of logic, a world-class yo yo expert has an IQ of 180, a world-class rock climber has an IQ of 180, etc. Heck, anyone who is good at anything has an IQ of 180.
Is some of this starting to sink in yet?


Wolfgang Utesch    (2007-07-15 20:11:04)
Lack of logic

If your logic is better than mine, you should have also a better chess rating than me. Is that logically??? :-)


Jason Repa    (2007-07-15 20:18:33)
Pure Stupidity!

So what you're saying is that chess alone is a perfect barometer of logic ability, and additionally, that a chess rating on a correspondence site where who knows who or what is playing the moves for you....not to mention you've only gained around 100 elo since you've been playing here compared to my 500+ elo and still gaining is proof of your "superior chess", LMAO!!

Wolfgang, are you pretending to be this stupid or is this really your mentality?


Thibault de Vassal    (2007-07-15 21:29:05)
Lack of logic

Jason, this was a (quite obvious) joke from Wolfgang, nothing more :)