Kramnik vs Deep Fritz 2006

  

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Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-14)
Kramnik vs. Deep Fritz, 2006

In less than 2 weeks from now, classical & FIDE world champion Vladimir Kramnik will play the best (at least most famous) chess program Deep Fritz 10 !

From november 25 to december 5, 2006 at the Federal Art Hall in Bonn. One million US dollars for Kramnik if he defeats Deep Fritz, half this amount otherwise...

We did not forget the previous match in Bahrain (2002), that ended with a 3-3 score.

Do you feel Fritz improved enough to beat a player like Kramnik, who most probably improved his play too... Will Kramnik play rather different openings than in his match against Topalov ? .. Anyway it should be an interesting match to follow.


A few links :

http://www.kramnik.com/eng/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=95
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=2947



Dinesh De Silva    (2006-11-15 02:17:33)
Re:

He will most probably play semi closed openings & defences, which gives a slight/miniscule advantage or equality somewhere, avoiding early tactical open positions. So we might not see any Sicilian at all as Black in his repertoire. He'll try his best to outwit the computer by sometimes introducing deviations or novelties in the first 25 moves or so.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-21 21:32:51)
Kramnik vs. Deep Fritz

I predict 3.5 - 2.5 in favour of Kramnik :)


Elmer Valderrama    (2006-11-23 22:40:29)
draw

I think everybody "knows" that it's going to be a draw 3:3

(I wish Kramnik won, of course ;)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-24 01:16:50)
dreams are not reality...

Elmer, let me dream a few days more, please :)

If the match is not 'arranged', everything can happen. I'm sure Kramnik can win 1 game or 2, and draw the other ones...

Chess engines have nothing more to prove, a win for Kramnik would give new interest for the match Kramnik vs. Fritz 12, a draw would be a non-event and a loss for Kramnik would be interpreted as "Chess is completely dead"... Not so good for Chessbase... Choose.

But finally, if Bobby was right ? :) .. (sure not)


Wayne Lowrance    (2006-11-24 06:44:37)
Kramnik vs. Deep Fritz, 2006

My two cents. I have little interest in this match. It is no longer any doubt wheather the programs are stronger than the Human. The playing field for this match is not even,. Kramnik has secured far too much of an advantage based on the rules of the match. He will play just well enough to secure a draw, or even perhaps push to a 31/2-21/2 win. After all gotta keep up the suspense for the next big payday cow. Anyways Fritz is not the strongest Engine I believe Human-Program matches should be played without handicap for the program. Then we know who is champs. so now in my view I already know. Wayne


Marc Lacrosse    (2006-11-24 09:27:56)
completely unfair and thus impredictible

The fact that the match conditions have been arranged on such unfair rules has two immediate consequences :
- we already know for sure that Kramnik himself is sure that he could not succeed on a more fair ground
- final result is unpredictible and probably already arranged beforehand

Marc

By the way the rules are really incredible.
Just an example : not only does Kramnik have the final opening book of Fritz at home for preparation, but moreover he will have the right to see Fritz's opening book _during_ the games with the various moves that could be played by the engne according to the player's intended move, together with the associated statistics. so in the unfortunate case where Kramnik could not remember is home killer preparation he will have the various choices presented to his eyes during play. Pretty incredible !
and there are quite a dozen rules like that ... (including the right for Kramnik only to call for an adjournement with subsequent overnight computer- or fellow-GM-assisted analysis ...)
For those who would like to have a look the complete rules are on Susan Polger's blog : http://www.susanpolgar.blogspot.com/



Elmer Valderrama    (2006-11-24 19:12:58)
!!

..They could have agreed on just one rule: the take-back rule for Kramnik only

8-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-26 12:51:03)
Game 1

Vladimir Kramnik - Deep Fritz

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.g3 d5 4.Bg2 dxc4 5.Qa4+ Nbd7 6.Qxc4 a6 7.Qd3 c5 8.dxc5 Bxc5 9.Nf3 0-0 10.0-0 Qe7 11.Nc3 b6 12.Ne4 Nxe4 13.Qxe4 Nf6 14.Qh4 Bb7 15.Bg5 Rfd8 16.Bxf6 Qxf6 17.Qxf6 gxf6 18.Rfd1 Kf8 19.Ne1 Bxg2 20.Kxg2 f5 21.Rxd8+ Rxd8 22.Nd3 Bd4 23.Rc1 e5 24.Rc2 Rd5 25.Nb4 Rb5 26.Nxa6 Rxb2 27.Rxb2 Bxb2 28.Nb4 Kg7 29.Nd5 Bd4 30.a4 Bc5 31.h3 f6 32.f3 Kg6 33.e4 h5 34.g4 hxg4 35.hxg4 fxe4 36.fxe4 Kg5 37.Kf3 Kg6 38.Ke2 Kg5 39.Kd3 Bg1 40.Kc4 Bf2 41.Kb5 Kxg4 42.Nxf6+ Kf3 43.Kc6 Bh4 44.Nd7 Kxe4 45.Kxb6 Bf2+ 46.Kc6 Be1 47.Nxe5 ½-½

Does Kramnik really hope to win the match in a struggle, just wait for a bug or only manage a draw more... Waiting for the 2nd game.


Wolfgang Utesch    (2006-11-26 20:16:14)
Kramnik vs. Deep Fritz, 2006

I think, Kramnik has played very well, the ending was won up to move 31. !


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-27 18:13:06)
Game 1 : Kramnik misses a win

GM Yasser Seirawan posted an article on Chessbase, explaining how Vladimir Kramnik missed the win against Deep Fritz in game 1 :

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3508


Elmer Valderrama    (2006-11-27 19:40:07)
not that Deep?

..CB shooting themselves in the foot as this reveals "Deep" Fritz 10 is reeling in the endings :/

Not so "the others" which wouldn't play that endgame like that.


Elmer Valderrama    (2006-11-27 20:40:39)
one move deeper..

..well, "Deep" Fritz 10 is at least one move deeper than Kramnik

Kramnik blundered mate in 1 in game 2 :(


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-27 20:46:06)
Game 2 ...

Deep Fritz - Vladimir Kramnik

1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.e4 b5 4.a4 c6 5.Nc3 b4 6.Na2 Nf6 7.e5 Nd5 8.Bxc4 e6 9.Nf3 a5 10.Bg5 Qb6 11.Nc1 Ba6 12.Qe2 h6 13.Be3 Bxc4 14.Qxc4 Nd7 15.Nb3 Be7 16.Rc1 0-0 17.0-0 Rfc8 18.Qe2 c5 19.Nfd2 Qc6 20.Qh5 Qxa4 21.Nxc5 Nxc5 22.dxc5 Nxe3 23.fxe3 Bxc5 24.Qxf7+ Kh8 25.Qf3 Rf8 26.Qe4 Qd7 27.Nb3 Bb6 28.Rfd1 Qf7 29.Rf1 Qa7 30.Rxf8+ Rxf8 31.Nd4 a4 32.Nxe6 Bxe3+ 33.Kh1 Bxc1 34.Nxf8 Qe3 35.Qh7# 1-0

... I have no word.


Charlie Neil    (2006-11-29 13:21:22)
Krammik vs Deep Fritz 2006

I was shocked at first then relieved to see the world champion making a blunder and such a blunder. Only proves that this is a terrible game! That one time Krammik knows how I feel all the time! B-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-29 15:11:37)
White to move :)

Okay, I just made a test.

Three beginners who were not aware of the game... 'White to move' : Only 1 of 3 found the checkmate, so maybe it's harder than we thought :)

ChessPosition (see diagram)
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Thibault de Vassal    (2006-11-29 19:38:21)
Another draw with White :/

Vladimir Kramnik - Deep Fritz

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. g3 d5 4. Bg2 dxc4 5. Qa4+ Nbd7 6. Qxc4 a6 7. Qc2 c5 8. Nf3 b6 9. Ne5 Nd5 10. Nc3 Bb7 11. Nxd5 Bxd5 12. Bxd5 exd5 13. O-O Nxe5 14. dxe5 Qc8 15. Rd1 Qe6 16. Qd3 Be7 17. Qxd5 Rd8 18. Qb3 Rxd1+ 19. Qxd1 O-O 20. Qb3 c4 21. Qc3 f6 22. b3 Rc8 23. Bb2 b5 24. Qe3 fxe5 25. bxc4 Rxc4 26. Bxe5 h6 27. Rd1 Rc2 28. Qb3 Qxb3 29. axb3 Rxe2 30. Bd6 Bf6 31. Bc5 a5 32. Bd4 Be7 33. Bc3 a4 34. bxa4 bxa4 35. Rd7 Bf8 36. Rd8 Kf7 37. Ra8 a3 38. Rxf8+ Kxf8 39. Bb4+ Kf7 40. Bxa3 Ra2 41. Bc5 g6 42. h4 Kf6 43. Be3 h5 44. Kg2 1/2-1/2


Charlie Neil    (2006-11-29 23:13:37)
Krammik vs Deep Fritz, 2006

After the blunder in game two Krammik plays on and IMHO pulls game three out of the fire I thought. after getting into trouble he saved a half point with style and fight. But I could be wrong.


Jaimie Wilson    (2006-11-30 15:14:36)
Game 3

I could be wrong, but I suspect fritz thought he had a clear advantage when the draw was agreed. My fritz 9 said something like -1 although even I would have fancied my drawing chances in the final position (maybe overoptimistically against a 2800 rated comp :) ).


Elmer Valderrama    (2006-11-30 18:22:46)
buy it!

..the more I look at the games the more I wish CB could sell out "deep" Fritz 10 especially to my fellow CC opponents..

:^)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-01 11:23:50)
buy it!

HAHAHAHAHAHA ! :))

Actually question is : What are the real improvements compared to Fritz 9 (engine speaking only) ? .. I just tried to start an answer in another thread :

http://www.ficgs.com/forum_read_1713-Deep-Fritz-Rybka-future.html


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-01 15:26:55)
Blunders

Some nice blunders collected by Johannes Fischer (chess historian).

See at the bottom of this Chessbase article :

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3514


Elmer Valderrama    (2006-12-01 22:13:19)
good news and bad news

Some good news and bad news for "deep" Fritz 10 (& CB..)

The good news is that game 4 was drawn with the computer playing a respectable good ending as White which forced Kramnik to display all his arsenal of strategic knowledge in endgames and his World class mastery to calmly withhold a difficult position...

The bad news is that "shallow" Toga would have played the same good moves made by Kramnik :-}


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-01 22:22:23)
good news and bad news

:))))))

One more and I create a heading "joke of the day" :)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-02 04:30:34)
Game 4

Deep Fritz - Vladimir Kramnik

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d4 Nxe4 4. Bd3 d5 5. Nxe5 Nd7 6. Nxd7 Bxd7 7. O-O Bd6 8. Qh5 Qf6 9. Nc3 Qxd4 10. Nxd5 Bc6 11. Ne3 g6 12. Qh3 Ng5 13. Qg4 Qf4 14. Qxf4 Bxf4 15. Nc4 Ne6 16. Bxf4 Nxf4 17. Rfe1+ Kf8 18. Bf1 Bb5 19. a4 Ba6 20. b4 Bxc4 21. Bxc4 Rd8 22. Re4 Nh5 23. Rae1 Rd7 24. h3 Ng7 25. Re5 Nf5 26. Bb5 c6 27. Bd3 Nd6 28. g4 Kg7 29. f4 Rhd8 30. Kg2 Nc8 31. a5 Rd4 32. R5e4 Kf8 33. Kf3 h6 34. Rxd4 Rxd4 35. Re4 Rd6 36. Ke3 g5 37. Rd4 Ke7 38. c4 Rxd4 39. Kxd4 gxf4 40. Ke4 Kf6 41. Kxf4 Ne7 42. Be4 b6 43. c5 bxc5 44. bxc5 Ng6+ 45. Ke3 Ne7 46. Kd4 Ke6 47. Bf3 f5 48. Bd1 Kf6 49. Bc2 fxg4 50. hxg4 Ke6 51. Bb1 Kf6 52. Be4 Ke6 53.Bh1 Kf6 54. Bf3 Ke6 1/2-1/2

... I really wonder if Kramnik played this Petroff defense with any hope to win.


Elmer Valderrama    (2006-12-02 13:56:38)
Deep Joke

You have to agree that it's hard to be serious when a new program is more like a joke, a Deep Joke that is :p

OTOH I expect CB to get serious and release a really strong version of the program.


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-03 20:55:29)
Game 5

Vladimir Kramnik - Deep Fritz

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.Nc3 Bb4 5.e3 0-0 6.a3 Bxc3+ 7.bxc3 c5 8.Bb2 Nc6 9.Rc1 Re8 10.Bd3 dxc4 11.Bxc4 e5 12.dxe5 Qxd1+ 13.Rxd1 Nxe5 14.Nxe5 Rxe5 15.Be2 Bd7 16.c4 Re7 17.h4 Ne4 18.h5 Ba4 19.Rd3 b5 20.cxb5 Bxb5 21.Rd1 Bxe2 22.Kxe2 Rb8 23.Ba1 f5 24.Rd5 Rb3 25.Rxf5 Rxa3 26.Rb1 Re8 27.Rf4 Ra2+ 28.Ke1 h6 29.Rg4 g5 30.hxg6 Nxf2 31.Rh4 Rf8 32.Kf1 Nh3+ 33.Ke1 Nf2 34.Kf1 Nh3+ 35.Ke1 1/2-1/2


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-04 01:27:44)
Reminds me something...

Ok, now I'm afraid conditions are 'ok' so that Kramnik looses this match...

Let's say game 6 is a draw, Deep Fritz 10 wins the match by score 3,5-2,5 first program on a normal computer to beat a world champion. Great...

However Vladimir Kramnik can be satisfied of his performance, he obtained a completely winning position and didn't really loose any game. He just gave his opponent a full point in a draw position.

Honor is safe, everyone wins. Like the song, what a wonderful world :)


Elmer Valderrama    (2006-12-04 14:32:04)
Deepy, the drawing monster

Now it's clear why CB was willing to pay 1 million if defeated: with Deep Jok..uh.. Fritz, they have created a drawing monster!!

At least it comes with a 1/2-point Life Guarantee

8-)


Thibault de Vassal    (2006-12-06 00:05:33)
Deep Fritz 10

... wins the match 4-2

It's a shock (even if Kramnik said it and repeated - deeeep fritz is favorite). It's hard to explain such a result.


Deep Fritz - Vladimir Kramnik

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bc4 e6 7.0-0 Be7 8.Bb3 Qc7 9.Re1 Nc6 10.Re3 0-0 11.Rg3 Kh8 12.Nxc6 bxc6 13.Qe2 a5 14.Bg5 Ba6 15.Qf3 Rab8 16.Re1 c5 17.Bf4 Qb7 18.Bc1 Ng8 19.Nb1 Bf6 20.c3 g6 21.Na3 Qc6 22.Rh3 Bg7 23.Qg3 a4 24.Bc2 Rb6 25.e5 dxe5 26.Rxe5 Nf6 27.Qh4 Qb7 28.Re1 h5 29.Rf3 Nh7 30.Qxa4 Qc6 31.Qxc6 Rxc6 32.Ba4 Rb6 33.b3 Kg8 34.c4 Rd8 35.Nb5 Bb7 36.Rfe3 Bh6 37.Re5 Bxc1 38.Rxc1 Rc6 39.Nc3 Rc7 40.Bb5 Nf8 41.Na4 Rdc8 42.Rd1 Kg7 43.Rd6 f6 44.Re2 e5 45.Red2 g5 46.Nb6 Rb8 47.a4 1-0


It seems to me it was allowed to Kramnik to consult Fritz opening book, so first why to play 8. ...Qc7 !?


Elmer Valderrama    (2006-12-06 14:21:49)
Deep (serious) dissappointment

..I think Kramnik website motto

"time is precious when you don't have enough of it"

couldn't be more true here: give him a CC time control and it would have been 0-1. ;)


Wayne Lowrance    (2006-12-06 22:53:58)
Very surprised

F10 4-2, simply amazing and unbelievable. I will never put faith in any of these chessbase promotional matches. With the advantages (various) that Kas had and given his chess stature this result cannot be trusted. F10 is a great program for sure but should not have been able to win 4-2. My two cents Wayne